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Point of Origin (2002)
IMDB rating: 5.80
Plot: Based on a true story, this twisting psychological thriller focuses on a serial arsonist whose terrifying six-year crime spree is juxtaposed with the increasingly desperate efforts of investigators to bring him to justice. Charged with investigating many of these fires is Captain John Orr (Ray Liotta), a legendary figure in the Glendale Fire Department, possessed with an uncanny ability to pinpoint the origins of a fire, as well as the devices by which an arsonist may have carried out the crime. Through a fingerprint left at the scene of one crime and a series of surprise revelations focusing on arsons set in several towns, the task force is able to close in on an unlikely suspect. . . and ultimately crack the case.
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Directors: Sigel Newton Thomas
Actors: Liotta Ray,Leguizamo John,Feore Colm,Curtis Cliff,Cox Ronny,Gill Trent,Adams Ryan B.,Beckel Graham,Camello Mike,Colligan Joe,Hall Shashawnee,Manesh Marshall,Crime,Drama,Thriller,
Why do many radical conservative Christian fundamentalist point to the bible as the foundation for arguing…?
Why do many radical conservative Christian fundamentalists point to the bible as the foundation for arguing against evolution?
It seems stupid to me because the people that wrote the bible did not know about evolution.
FACT: Bible written 4,000-1,800 years ago by mostly annonymous authors – On the Origin of Species 1859 by Charles Darwin.
To me it seems that On the origin of species would have more Authority since we know who the author is, but because the bible’s fundamental books were written in annomity it cannot not have authority since AUTHOR is the essence of AUTHORity therefore making On the origin of species the more credible book.
So why use the bible which is full of contradictions and inconsistencies and was written by human beings in a time absent of science and therefore void of?
Scientists say we evolved from freaking monkeys.
Yummy Turkey | Feb 08, 2010
Have you tried stapling them real hard?
The Stapler | Feb 08, 2010
we dont need to argue…we are knowing evolution is false and way offsubject here….give it a rest…if you want agreement for theories youre in the wrong area….I could say more but im not lowering myself…your level is rude…work on it
Fireball | Feb 08, 2010
The top 3 religions – Islam, Jewish, Christian – all need to have a book to justify their religious behaviour (which, at times, is distinctly nonspiritual). Instead of arguing its validity (or not) why not read up and learn from so many other free thinking choices?
God bless, J
jmmevolve | Feb 08, 2010
Bible is real! no lies on it! why do you question God?! aren’t you thankful God made you?!
marion | Feb 08, 2010
because to most of humanity logic and science mean very little
Craig | Feb 08, 2010
I’m a Christian and it doesn’t bother my faith one bit to believe in evolution as well. But for some Christians, they simply dont feel the same way. To them if it wasn’t in the bible, it didn’t happen.
Anne | Feb 08, 2010
The people to whom you refer are not the brightest bulbs on the tree, or they would not be "radical conservative Christian fundamentalists". These people are not our planet’s thinkers.
Rod | Feb 08, 2010
Um, so since we know the author the book is true?
They were ‘absent of science?’
Logic?
? christianman ? | Feb 08, 2010
Not only do the fundamentalists do a great disservice to humanity in general, but also to Christianity, by making us all seem like "morons" — even though the majority of Christians (including Catholics) and even most Jews, do not read Genesis literally, and have no problems at all with science or evolution.
We see that evolution IS "the divine design." All part of God’s plan.
The fundamentalists are generally undereducated and easily misled. They can’t seem to understand that ancient stories have to be read in CONTEXT, and that language is a factor that has to be considered. For instance, the ancient Hebrew language had a very limited vocabulary, any many words had double meanings (or more).
They actually miss out on a deeper understanding of God’s power at work in the universe. It’s very sad.
Mariel | Feb 08, 2010
Fact: Darwin was not the first person to write about the theory of evolution.
Around 520 BC – Anaximander
The Greek philosopher, Anaximander of Miletus, wrote a text called "On Nature" in which he introduced an idea of evolution, stating that life started as slime in the oceans and eventually moved to drier places. He also brought up the idea that species evolved over time.
Around 500 BC – Xenophanes
Xenophanes studied fossils and put forth various theories on the evolution of life.
Around 350 BC – Aristotle
The Greek philosopher, Aristotle, studied marine animals and developed an epigenetic model of evolution. He also developed a classification system for all animals.
1686 – John Ray
John Ray’s book, "Historia Plantarum" catalogued and described 18,600 kinds of plants and gave the first definition of species based upon common descent.
1735 – Carolus Linnaeus
Carolus Linnaeus, a Swedish born naturalist, published his book, "Systema Naturae" in which he outlined a method for classifying all organisms. This method is still in use today (generas, orders, classes and kingdoms). His views on evolution were rather tame. He believed that new species within genera came into being through hybridization, but only under the controlling hand of god. He also thought there was a divine order to all organisms and developed his classification system to reveal this order.
1749 – Comte de Buffon
Comte de Buffon, a French naturalist, developed the modern definition of a species; a group of organisms which can breed and produce fertile offspring. He thought that all organisms were created by god and arranged in a hierarchy with mankind at the top of creation. Buffon did believe in evolution, but thought that the environment was the direct agent of change, rather than competition between species. He did not describe the mechanism by which this takes place, however.
1751 – Pierre-Louis Moreau de Maupertuis
Pierre-Louis Moreau de Maupertuis in his book, "Systeme de la Nature" theorized on the nature of heredity and how new species come into being. He thought that speciation took place by chance events in nature, rather than by spontaneous generation as was believed at the time. About ten years earlier he had published a book called, "Essai de Cosmologie" in which he introduced the concept of stronger animals in a population having more offspring, something akin to Darwin’s theory of the survival of the fittest.
1770 – Charles Bonnet
Charles Bonnet, a Swiss naturalist, wrote in his book, "Philosophical Palingesis" that the females of each organism contain the next generation in miniature form. He believed that natural catastrophes sparked evolutionary changes in organisms. His idea of evolution was analogous to organisms climbing a ladder of life, with animals becoming intelligent, primates becoming human, and humans becoming angels.
1790’s to 1830’s – Georges Cuvier
Georges Cuvier, a French naturalist, made numerous contributions to the biological sciences. He was the founder of vertebrate paleontology, confirmed that species can become extinct, and developed a classification system for animals that is still in use today (vertebrates, articulates, molluscs and radiates). Cuvier believed that animals were functional wholes. In other words, if any part of an animal were to become modified the animal would die because all of its parts are interdependent. It follows from this that Cuvier did not believe in evolution of any kind. He also believed that an animal’s function determined its form.
1794 – Erasmus Darwin
Erasmus Darwin, English physician, poet and naturalist, developed one of the first theories of evolution in his book, "Zoonomia." Erasmus thought that all life had evolved from one common ancestor which over time branched off into all the species we see today. He thought the transmutation of species was driven by competition and sexual selection, but he had no facts to support his theories. Erasmus Darwin was Charles Darwin’s grandfather.
1809 – Jean-Baptiste Lamarck
Jean-Baptiste Lamarck’s book, "Philosophie Zoologique" stated that animals evolved from simpler forms. Lamarck saw evolution as a goal oriented process striving towards perfection; analogous to species climbing a ladder. One result of this view was that he did not believe species became extinct, rather, they simply evolved into a different species. For Lamarck the process of evolution was a simple one – as the environment changes species need to modify how they interact with it in order to survive. As a species used a particular structures more often that structure grew bigger (or smaller if used less). Lamarck also supported the notion of inherited characteristics; any changes that occur through use or disuse are passed on to the next generation. Lamarck coined the term "invertebrates" and in 1802 he (with Trevirons) coined the term "Biology" for the first time.
As you can see, the theory of evolution has been around quite a bit longer than Darwin.
The reasons why some believers stick to their holy books, is some have been taught that those books hold all the answers. And are told they are to be taken literally.
So for them to accept evolution, would mean their holy books are wrong and it would shake the very foundations of their faith.
Edit:
And your logic is flawed. Is Scientology correct simply because we know L. Ron Hubbard wrote the book Dianetics?
When those of us who accept evolution argue, we don’t go all the way back to a book published 150 years ago. We look to modern scientists, and the most recent research, and base our arguments on the evidence that’s been collected since Darwin.
GambitGrrl | Feb 08, 2010
The bible is the inerrant word of God, there are no contradiction or inconsistencies. There are apparent contradictions and inconsistencies, but the fault is on the part of the reader, not the scripture.
Science is present in the scripture as well (too lengthy to go into here). Check out www.livingwaters.com for more info.
Authors:
Moses
Joshua
Ezra
Nehemiah
Esther
Job
David
Solomon
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
Daniel
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Malachi
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Paul
James
Peter
hmm, no one anonymous there…
Joe P | Feb 08, 2010
First: Christians believe that God is the ultimate authority. If He revealed eternal truths to ancient prophets, then surely that is the best authority. Most Christians also believe in personal inspiration. The only Christians who believe in universal revelation after the Bible are Mormons.
Second: According to the Revelation model, the time that something is revealed from God is irrelevant. It just has to come from God. According to the Evolution model, more recent discoveries are likely to be more accurate, since development over time is onward and upward. So, the argument that Origin of Species is more accurate because it is more recent only works if you’ve already proved your thesis. It’s a circular argument.
Third: It is possible to reconcile evolution with the Bible, although many Christians resist the idea. Why couldn’t God have caused just the right environment, radiation levels, etc. for evolution to result in intelligent life? Couldn’t the seven days of creation be symbolic of the perfect amount of time, whatever that might be?
Fourth: Evolutionary theory, Creationist theory, and mixed theories all have unanswered questions. Creationists don’t know how God created the world, and Evolutionists don’t know why there are so few evidences of the "missing links." Neither can really prove itself for certain.
Olorin | Feb 08, 2010
